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Post by Admin on Jan 27, 2020 6:26:10 GMT 1
After a season of treating Pneumonia, AND getting it myself, but not diagnosed as CV... (November 2019), For use as a prophylactic, The remedy that ticks all the boxes is PHOS.
A prophylactic is used to imbue the patient with enough of the artificial disease state to not let the real infection take place as it is STRONGER than the Coronavirus. SEVERAL remedies can do this depending on the nature of the outbreak in your local area. This virus appears to be not absolutely specific except for pneumonia with reactive differences being noted.
However, block receptivity.. and the virus will not be able to take hold.
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Post by Admin on Jan 27, 2020 6:42:57 GMT 1
Dont leave all the work to the admins. Please contribute by your comments and working out of the sx. Everything helps.
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Post by Admin on Jan 27, 2020 7:11:52 GMT 1
Why did I not list all the SX? Well I can only use what I know and utilise the rubrics that seem to fit. We need other practitioners to list their SX and see if their list has one of the remedies on my rep sheet stand out, or a different remedy altogether. Just because PHOS is first, does not mean its position is paramount... however I have used PHOS in nearly every Pneumonia case Ive had this past 5 months at some stage.
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Post by ardenwong on Jan 27, 2020 14:22:35 GMT 1
Severally characteristics of the Wuhan pneumonia based on practitioners (conventional and TCM) as well as patient stories in China: - Gradual onset. Takes days and weeks to develop.
- Initial symptoms: fever absent / low (<39℃),
- Severe lethargy (+++).
- GIT Sx dominates (diarrhoea, nausea / vomiting, loss of appetite, stomach distension but not painful to touch / pressure, palpitation.
- Respiratory symptoms mild: Dry, sore throat. Dry cough without any expectoration. Mild coryza.
- Headache (unspecified from reports). Tongue thickly coated (white / yellow)
- Etiology (according to TCM practitioners): cold, damp, rainy weather with some snow, very limited sunshine in the last month or so. Temp at night is -1℃ ~ 4℃, while daytime max is 2℃ - 12℃ (Based on TCM theory —> ‘cold-damp epidemic disease’)
- Gradual development (after 1-2 weeks), either recover, or then suddenly developed into pneumonitis. With poor oxygenation and respiratory distress.
- Contagious even in incubation stage.
- No mention of thirst, sweat, urine, etc. in the media report.
- TCM diagnosis: 'cold damp epidemic’ attacking first the spleen-pancreas (digestive system) and subsequently (underneath, with few Sx in the process) the lung (respiratory system).
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Post by Admin on Jan 27, 2020 14:32:20 GMT 1
I dont think we should include TCM diagnosis. That is including a different philosophy. Better to just use straight symptoms.
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Post by ardenwong on Jan 27, 2020 14:44:44 GMT 1
TCM diagnosis are included here only for reference. Medical reports provide far too little useful info for us.
We don't have real local case in HK yet. All the confirmed case in HK are imported from Wuhan. I think, if ever we have a local outbreak in Hong Kong without traceable infection route from Wuhan, the symptomatology could be quite different.
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Post by Guillermo on Jan 28, 2020 0:07:18 GMT 1
"We first heard about cases of pneumonia caused by a new virus in December from authorities in Wuhan, China – a city of 11 million people.
What started as a cluster of 27 people with pneumonia – with common symptoms including fever, dry cough, chest tightness and difficulty breathing – has spiralled to 2798 confirmed cases, including medical staff, and 80 deaths. (as of 8:05 ET, January 26, 2020) - Disclaimer: We do not endorse any of these numbers"
Likely peculiar epidemic symptom: "Chest pain or tightness when you breathe and cough"
P&W TPB CODE: 2186;2452;671;
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 0:12:36 GMT 1
it might also be 591 instead of 2186
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 0:20:15 GMT 1
Over 2500 cases. It is a possibility that the Chinese patients have a localised susceptibility and that "if" the virus spreads, the people getting the sickness may have less of a susceptibility toward the full effect of the disease (aph 5)
As Arden pointed out, the sx might not be the same even in Hong Kong if it spreads there because the lifestyle and food and air is different.
In Delhi, when the disease broke out in a section of the city, it would be contained in one area, and a different area right next to it would not be affected.
susceptibility..
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Post by Guillermo on Jan 28, 2020 5:42:28 GMT 1
it might also be 591 instead of 2186 I also used 591 rubric. But I thought this combination was more appropriate for the way in which the symptom is presented on medline at the end. "Chest pain or tightness when you breathe and cough"
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 7:20:04 GMT 1
it might also be 591 instead of 2186 I also used 591 rubric. But I thought this combination was more appropriate for the way in which the symptom is presented on medline at the end. "Chest pain or tightness when you breathe and cough" Given that the problem is a respiratory disorder and pneumonia has as one of its main symptom painful difficulty in finding enough oxygen to breathe, coughing and inspiration itself impede the breathing process in a painful way.. I had diagnosed pneumonia myself several weeks ago and spent 4 days trying to breathe. I am always cautious in using singular rubrics as a singular action when there is a process involved, and in the case of pneumonia, it is natural to have tightness of the chest whilst breathing. During repertorising of Cases of pneumonia, I missed 595 which covers both the pain and the effect.... it covers the condition of breathing whether it be a general or a specific aggravation of the patient coincident with the respiratory symptom. it is, in fact, an AGGRAVATION from breathing with associated noted resultant specific disorders, ie tightness and pain. And as always, I could be wrong.
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Post by ardenwong on Jan 28, 2020 15:15:23 GMT 1
Based what we gather from first-hand reports (only in available in Chinese at this point), the disturbance first starts with very lethargy with difficulty for moving just a few steps, nausea + loss of appetite + diarrhoea watery (no mention of colic / pain / cramp / stool details), mild dry throat and dry cough for 1-2 weeks, and a few cases specifically mentioned after being drenched in the cold rain or prolonged exposure to the cold damp air, and the positive response to TCM Tx being 'lightened', my attempt to repertorize:
- Aggravation, Situation and Circumstance, Cold Air, Wet (Moist) {2462} [55]
- Cough, Expectoration, without {598} [114]
- Stool, Diarrhea, Painless {407} [73]
- Sensations and Complaints, Generalities, Cumbersome Movements, Heaviness or Weakness from {1066} [19]
- Nausea {367} [121]
- Hunger and Thirst, Loss of Appetite {272} [115]
P&W-TPB: 598;407;1066;367;2462;272;2257;
The severe respiratory distress typically came later on, which we have few details to work on.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 18:11:01 GMT 1
From the study in the writings of Hahnemann, it is pertinent to point out that treatment of individual persons during an epidemic, can be different from finding a prophylactic for a disease.
The aim of the prophylactic is to imbue the body with the known GENERIC SYMPTOM production of the disease to not allow the real disease to take root. The infection will not take place where the 'disease symptoms' already exist.
If you treat individually, the patients will require personalised homoeopathic treatment because they already have contaged the infection, and the remedies will be different according to their individual requires.
But a prophylactic prevents the requirement of treating as the individuals do not contage the disease.
Remember this as you look through the SX to select.
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Post by Guillermo on Jan 28, 2020 19:06:52 GMT 1
I also used 591 rubric. But I thought this combination was more appropriate for the way in which the symptom is presented on medline at the end. "Chest pain or tightness when you breathe and cough" Given that the problem is a respiratory disorder and pneumonia has as one of its main symptom painful difficulty in finding enough oxygen to breathe, coughing and inspiration itself impede the breathing process in a painful way.. I had diagnosed pneumonia myself several weeks ago and spent 4 days trying to breathe. I am always cautious in using singular rubrics as a singular action when there is a process involved, and in the case of pneumonia, it is natural to have tightness of the chest whilst breathing. During repertorising of Cases of pneumonia, I missed 595 which covers both the pain and the effect.... it covers the condition of breathing whether it be a general or a specific aggravation of the patient coincident with the respiratory symptom. it is, in fact, an AGGRAVATION from breathing with associated noted resultant specific disorders, ie tightness and pain. And as always, I could be wrong. Interesting and instructive explanation. However, since rubric 595 is referred to aggravations during disorders of respiration in GENERAL, I find a more practical application (as to displayed remedies), in diseases that affect the lungs, to give location plus the modality in process (especially when pain or sensation, e.g. pleurisy, disappear (or ameliorates) when you stop breathing for a few seconds. No more than 5 minutes ) as seems to be the case with the described symptom. I consider it (595) rather suitable as for study of MMP, i.e., for those ailments that occur when there is a respiratory illness and that may or may not be related to the mechanics of breathing.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 20:08:18 GMT 1
I dont see it as a general rubric. It is a problem of respiration whether it be generally or as a result of an acute problem. Reading the remedies demonstrates the nature of the rubric in each case, be it acute or chronic. Given that 591 and 595 have basically the same remedies with some grade differences, the result between the two rubrics is in the respiratory outcome. Pneumonia chest pains are usually the lungs, and this rubric shows that there are resultant chest/lung issues or pains in general during the act of breathing or coughing. A list of Boenninghausens Pneumonia remedies can be found collated in Boger Boenninghausen, which were transferred from Boenninghausens works. I do not use Bogers repertory for analysis, but can be useful to see the grouping from the SRN or SRA. (Ignore Boger's additions) Given that we know that at this stage of the disease progression, The patient has Pneumonia and the chest pain/tightness is COMMON to coughing and inspiration. It will take the collection of all symptoms to decide what is required fo a prophylactic and what is not. According to Boenninghausen, he places emphasis on the prodromal fever symptoms, and we do not any information other than warm to hot fever. More important, would be causation if it ONLY started when wet or cold, and occurred in every or most cases. We just dont know.
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