Guillermo
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Post by Guillermo on Sept 14, 2019 17:49:08 GMT 1
Some years ago one of the attendees at one of my seminars asked how to know what structures (organs or tissues) each of the specifications refer to (Inner / Outer Chest, Head, Throat, Torso, etc.). At that time I could not give a sustained response to his interesting questioning. What would you answer?
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2019 21:03:02 GMT 1
Enclosed or not enclosed.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2019 7:34:17 GMT 1
A brief look at a number of rubrics that use the phrase outer parts show that it refers to surface areas, such as abscesses, eruptions, body areas like chest or skin or nose or non enclosed organs. So in this picture of the ear, the ear canal part is OUTER. Inner parts generally refers to areas that are not open to the exterior, like internal organs or under and enclosed by the skin. For example, the ear canal is outer parts until it is closed off by the ear drum then it becomes inner ear.
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Guillermo
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Post by Guillermo on Sept 17, 2019 19:29:17 GMT 1
Dear Dr. Gary Weaver: I appreciate the guidance you have provided. In addition, I believe there is another way to realize it. It happened almost like a serendipity, from the seminar attendant's question while trying to match keynotes with the TPB. I was studying Ran-b. A remedy with which I have had very good experiences in some cases of intercostal chest pain due to sudden changes in temperature or alcohol intake or by inspiring (inhaling). The keynote in question was: “Chest pain, walking, touch, climatic changes": (Ran-b Nash)
P&W TPB ID CODE: 679; 671; 2307; 2218; 2663; It struck me that the remedy was graduated with higher clinical verification (for outer parts) and that in the MMP it was described with a wide symptomatology on the ribs: ADDITIONS TO MATERIA MEDICA, COLLECTED AND EDITED BY ERNST STAPF, WILLIAM RADDE, 1846.
185.- In the forenoon, when walking or standing, he feels a pain as if bruised, or as of subcutaneous ulceration in the region of the left true ribs, accompanied with mild stitches ; 3 d.
193.- Stitches in the interior of the left side of the chest, when walking in the open air, in the region of the nipple ; the stitches disappear when he continues to walk, after which a pain is felt below the last true rib in the right side of the abdomen (splenetic stitch ?) ; a. 47 h.
194.-Early in the morning, while walking, he feels a sticking in the region of the fifth and sixth true rib of the left side, with great sensitiveness of that spot to the touch, and great debility ; 2 d.
205.-Sticking pain in the right side of the chest, in the region of the fifth and sixth ribs, in the forenoon; 8 d.
206.-Violent sticking in the right side of the chest, in the region of the fifth and seventh ribs, arresting the breathing, with stitches and pressure on top of the right shoulder, while walking, after having been seated; 3 d. and following.
213.-Pressing pain in the outer parts of the chest (Sd.). Pressing-dragging pain in the chest, for many days; it is rather external, and only aggravates the breathing when walking (Sd. 3).
From this point I can say that by the grade of occurrence of the rubric in the outer chest, grade 4, in correlation with the pathogenesis of the remedy, the outer parts are referred to ribs, tendons, muscles, to the skin, while the inner parts are referred to organs contained in the corresponding cavity. It applies to the other cavities. However, at other points it is difficult to determine this. The truth is that in order to investigate the structures involved in each rubric that specifies "inner and outer parts" it is necessary to take into account those remedies with clinical verification of the symptom and review them in MMP. Many times, the characteristic (quality or sensation) will weigh more than the location if it best describes the symptom, so it may happens that well described characteristic, e.g., for the tongue could appear in a rubric which specifies inner or outer. Or it could happens that the inner or outer has to be captured from the patient´s own words as, e.g., for the limbs ("it hurts inside", "it hurts just above"), even when limbs are referred as external parts themselves according to my own research. More on this later.
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Fiona
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Post by Fiona on Sept 27, 2019 8:08:11 GMT 1
Enclosed or not enclosed. I am glad you brought this up as it has always puzzled me. I eagerly await someone's words of wisdom.
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2019 8:25:03 GMT 1
Dear Dr. Gary Weaver: I appreciate the guidance you have provided. In addition, I believe there is another way to realize it. It happened almost like a serendipity, from the seminar attendant's question while trying to match keynotes with the TPB. I was studying Ran-b. A remedy with which I have had very good experiences in some cases of intercostal chest pain due to sudden changes in temperature or alcohol intake or by inspiring (inhaling). The keynote in question was: “Chest pain, walking, touch, climatic changes": (Ran-b Nash)
P&W TPB ID CODE: 679; 671; 2307; 2218; 2663; View AttachmentIt struck me that the remedy was graduated with higher clinical verification (for outer parts) and that in the MMP it was described with a wide symptomatology on the ribs: ADDITIONS TO MATERIA MEDICA, COLLECTED AND EDITED BY ERNST STAPF, WILLIAM RADDE, 1846.
185.- In the forenoon, when walking or standing, he feels a pain as if bruised, or as of subcutaneous ulceration in the region of the left true ribs, accompanied with mild stitches ; 3 d.
193.- Stitches in the interior of the left side of the chest, when walking in the open air, in the region of the nipple ; the stitches disappear when he continues to walk, after which a pain is felt below the last true rib in the right side of the abdomen (splenetic stitch ?) ; a. 47 h.
194.-Early in the morning, while walking, he feels a sticking in the region of the fifth and sixth true rib of the left side, with great sensitiveness of that spot to the touch, and great debility ; 2 d.
205.-Sticking pain in the right side of the chest, in the region of the fifth and sixth ribs, in the forenoon; 8 d.
206.-Violent sticking in the right side of the chest, in the region of the fifth and seventh ribs, arresting the breathing, with stitches and pressure on top of the right shoulder, while walking, after having been seated; 3 d. and following.
213.-Pressing pain in the outer parts of the chest (Sd.). Pressing-dragging pain in the chest, for many days; it is rather external, and only aggravates the breathing when walking (Sd. 3).
From this point I can say that by the grade of occurrence of the rubric in the outer chest, grade 4, in correlation with the pathogenesis of the remedy, the outer parts are referred to ribs, tendons, muscles, to the skin, while the inner parts are referred to organs contained in the corresponding cavity. It applies to the other cavities. However, at other points it is difficult to determine this. The truth is that in order to investigate the structures involved in each rubric that specifies "inner and outer parts" it is necessary to take into account those remedies with clinical verification of the symptom and review them in MMP. Many times, the characteristic (quality or sensation) will weigh more than the location if it best describes the symptom, so it may happens that well described characteristic, e.g., for the tongue could appear in a rubric which specifies inner or outer. Or it could happens that the inner or outer has to be captured from the patient´s own words as, e.g., for the limbs ("it hurts inside", "it hurts just above"), even when limbs are referred as external parts themselves according to my own research. More on this later. In looking at sensations of pain, I think sometimes that pain is "felt" internally or externally. Some pains like Gout are felt internally and other pains like rib bruising or bruises in general are felt externally...
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2019 8:29:52 GMT 1
I see Guillermo had covered the point I added above, and indeed the "sensation" of the location of the pain would be a guide to whether to use internal or external. This would be validated by confirming in the remedy under consideration.
I'm doing several things at once and did not get chance to read in full the previous comment, but on reflection, it appears we are on the same page and consideration for inner and outer regarding the TPB.
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Guillermo
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Post by Guillermo on Oct 4, 2019 18:38:28 GMT 1
It is very useful to know this, as when for example we refer to the basal or apical part of the left or right lung in a case of pneumonia. If not, consult Dr. Nash when in his writing "How to take a case and choose the similimum" says the following:
“Is there a pain in the right and upper chest region? Arsenicum will work on it characteristically.
Towards the middle of the right side? Belladonna, Sanguinaria, Calcarea ostrearum.
On the lower part of the right side? Chelidonium, Kali carbonicum, Mercurius.
On the upper part of the left side? Myrtus, Pix liquid, Theridion, Sulphur, Tuberculinum, etc.
Left lower part? Natrum sulphuricum, Phosphorus.
I have cited here a few remedies that have a particular affinity for the situation in the chest, which in almost all cases is related to lung conditions, so a further examination will discover the most appropriate remedy. ”
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